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2011 Stats Thread

Discussion in 'Richmond Ramblings' started by Lisa, Mar 23, 2011.

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    I have been perusing the AFL prospectus and have highlighted a few interesting stats from last season. Some of these will squash myths and some may strengthen or lessen opinions of players.

    I have chosen ones I found interesting (good and bad).... So here goes....


    <strong class='bbc'>Batchelor </strong>- In the TAC Cup he gained 138 possessions off the opposition which was the most in the whole competition and shows he reads the play very well.

    <strong class='bbc'>Browne</strong> - In his 4 games last year he recorded an average gain of -0.6 meters per disposal, the only player in the AFL to have a negative meters gain stat. Sorry had to include this odd info.

    <strong class='bbc'>Conca</strong> - At the U/18 Nationals his ball use was outstanding as he recorded the best disposal efficiency of the top 20 midfielders with the most disposals. Yipeeee

    <strong class='bbc'>Connors </strong>- After he came back from suspension he played 11 games and was 4th in the whole AFL for total meters gained during that period, but his retention rate was 64% and the lowest of the top 20 for meters gained (but still higher than the teams woeful average of 58% - yucky). Shows he goes long, takes the game on and gets the ball moving (yay) but it can result in a turnover a third of the time. (boo - but at least it not a turnover nearly half the time!)

    <strong class='bbc'>Cotchin</strong> - 50% of possessions were contested which was the second highest of any midfielder in the AFL and shows how finally having a pre-season will hopefully enable him to run and spread. The Tigers retained possession from just 65% of his disposals which was the lowest of any mid at the club. Get him in space more and I am sure/hope this will improve, but goes to show that he can cause a turnover as much as the next guy.

    <strong class='bbc'>Deledio</strong> - He won the ball of the opposition 134 times, the 7th most of any player in the AFL in the H&A season. He covered plenty of ground, ranking 4th in the AFL for total meters gained and 2nd for the inside 50/rebound 50 combo. He is a dead set gun.

    <strong class='bbc'>Edwards</strong> - Ranked 3rd at the Tigers for effective kicks, contested possessions and tackles and 4th for disposals and clearances. Watch those handballs from clearances this year folks.

    <strong class='bbc'>Farmer</strong> - Tigers retained possession from just 59% of his kicks, the worst percentage of all Tigers defenders. That's not a nice stat.

    <strong class='bbc'>Foley</strong> - this is just something to realise what could be (please) - In 2007-08 he won 133 centre clearances which was the 2nd most in the whole AFL and it resulted in 27 goals which was also he 2nd most in the whole league.

    <strong class='bbc'>Gourdis</strong> - He only played 3 games but his kicking was elite for a defender, hitting the target 83% of the time (mind you he only kicked it about 18 times!)

    <strong class='bbc'>Graham</strong> - Won a hit-out 37% of the time which was up 7% from the previous season. His hitouts to advantage happened 18% of the time (guys like Jolly, Cox and Sandilands are around the 22 to 25%). So he is improving and has room to improve further. One thing though is that the Tigers only retained possession from 46% of his kicks, which was the 11th worst in the league for players who played more than half the season. Moral to that story....... don't kick it Gus!!

    <strong class='bbc'>Grigg</strong> - At Carlton last year in the games he played he ranked 3rd for clearances and 4th in hardball gets. Yep he is an inside mid.

    <strong class='bbc'>Helbig</strong> - He was one of 4 students from SA's Henley High to be drafted last year! Crazy.

    <strong class='bbc'>Jackson</strong> - Averaged more tackles and inside 50's than any other Tiger, but the Tigers only grabbed a mark 7% of the time he kicked it into the forward 50, the lowest percentage of the 10 players who kicked into the 50 the most for the Tiges.

    <strong class='bbc'>King</strong> - 49% of his possessions were contested which was 2nd to Cotchin for non ruckman/KPP at the Tigers.

    <strong class='bbc'>Macdonald</strong> - In the TAC cup he was extremely accurate when kicking for goal an incredible 76% from general play and 71% overall. His defensive pressure (as we witnessed in the NAB cup) was also excellent as he applied 36 tackles inside the forward 50 which was an incredible 12 more than any other player in the TAC cup. Go Dean. Get fit and get into the best 22!

    <strong class='bbc'>Martin</strong> - 81% of his first possessions turned into clearances which ranked him 2nd in the AFL across the 32 elite players who gained over 100 first possessions at stoppages. He launched more scores that any other Tiger and ranked 2nd at the club for effective long kicks, contested possessions, hardball gets and inside 50's. What an incredible first year.

    <strong class='bbc'>McGuane</strong> - Above average disposal efficiency for an AFL defender but let himself down by having the highest free kick differential at the Tigers. He ranked equal number 1 at the club for tackles inside the defensive 50.

    <strong class='bbc'>Moore</strong> - Ranked 2nd at the club for spoils and 3rd for marks and marks from the opposition.

    <strong class='bbc'>Morton</strong> - After he returned for the last 6 games he attended the 4th most centre bounces of any Tiger midfielder and he was involved in 32% of our scoring chains which was the highest percent at the club in that time.

    <strong class='bbc'>Nahas</strong> - He averaged the 2nd most tackles inside the forward 50 of any player in the whole AFL last year. Surprising and impressive info.

    <strong class='bbc'>Nason</strong> - 44% of his kicks into the forward 50 resulted in a Richmond score which was the 2nd highest percentage of the 10 players who kicked into the forward 50 the most.

    <strong class='bbc'>Newman</strong> - Ranked 2nd for most run and kick meters gained at the Tigers and we retained possession 69% of the time he disposed of it, but when we didn't it was bad. He turned the ball over 78 times and 34% of those times resulted in the opposition scoring which was the highest percent for the ten players who turned it over the most. It could be the nature of where he turns it over and also the fact that when he moves forward he and the team move fast and more often than not it is successful so when it doesn't work we can be left exposed at the back.

    <strong class='bbc'>O'Reilly</strong> - Only played 3 games but hit the target 11 times out of 11 on debut! Great effort especially considering his backgorund.

    <strong class='bbc'>Riewoldt </strong>- He scored 78% of his goals from set shots, which was the highest percentage of the top ten goal kickers in the league.

    <strong class='bbc'>Taylor</strong> - When he came back into the side for the last 2 rounds he laid the most tackles of any Tiger which is great to see.

    <strong class='bbc'>Tuck</strong> - He had more 1st possessions than any other Tiger which generated 15 goals and was the equal 6th highest number of any player in the league.

    <strong class='bbc'>White </strong>- 46% of his kicks into the forward 50 resulted in a Richmond score which was the highest percentage of any Tiger who kicked more than 40 times into the forward 50.



    So there you have it, some interesting stuff I thought.

    Any questions just fire away and if anyone is unsure of the meaning of a stat then please ask.

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  1. rayza#18 Member

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    Thanks Lisa.

    Just out of curiosity, was there anything about Cuz?
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    Great work Lisa!

    Some great information given - some of which I wasn't aware of!
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    That is an awesome stat for a first year player.
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    Very interesting, Lisa. Great stuff!
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    Nice work Lisa!

    This one caught my eye,

    Tuck - He had more 1st possessions than any other Tiger which generated 15 goals and was the equal 6th highest number of any player in the league.
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    Love the stats Lisa, have inspired me to reopen my copy of the prospectus and have another look.

    This one to me is very interesting. White isn't the most fashionable player and doesn't seem to be everyone's favourite player (me included) but judging from this stat the run and carry plus long kicks this guy provides look to be a huge asset to our team.
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    Great post, Lisa, if it isn't too much of a hassle, I'd be really interested to see the stats on possession retention following each player's disposals.
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    Hmmm, Lisa, didnt your beloved stats alos show some favorable qualities to one Jordan McMahon? Something like 83% kicking efficiency and 20 odd possessions per game? Seems those admirable numbers didnt go down to well with Mr Hardwick though, probably because Mr H saw something the stats dont show.
    I would be very selective with those lovelly numbers.
    Every time I see someone quoting stats, I look for the con, the trick, the lie they are trying to hide. Not that in this case, but that what I see stats as - a veil to pull the wool over the eyes of the sheep ready to be sheared.
    Here is two good stats, the RFC have won 10 VFL premierships, zero AFL Premierships, and I think about 2 VFA premierships.
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    Browne - In his 4 games last year he recorded an average gain of -0.6 meters per disposal, the only player in the AFL to have a negative meters gain stat.
    That's because he only had two possessions in those four games and one of them was a kick in the wrong direction :D
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    Right you are Blackie!

    Lucky Kane Johnson had enough kicks to balance it out :)



    Ballast of course stats don't tell the whole story and I have never said they do, but they do tell something of use otherwise why on earth would they exist? And why would teams and coaches like Hardwick have statisticians and use stats to help them analyse what is happening in a game, with a player, with the opposition, with a potential recruit etc?

    Seriously I plucked out lots of stats that were both positive and negative as I thought they were interesting. If you want the full picture and not just what I want you to see, go and pay your $55 for the AFL prospectus or get a job at Champion Data.

    Serioulsy dude, someone goes to the trouble to type up this info for people on the forum and you just have a go.

    Blerg.


    No sorry Rayza only players for 2011 unfortunately.


    I will have to check but I don't think they have them. Retention stats I think are far more telling than efficiency stats so I wish they did include them.

    Bascially a retention stat means we retained possession after the player disposed of the ball.

    Where as what makes up an efficiency stat wwas decided in consulation with coaches etc to look at what advantages a team and looks at the the risk v reward and decision you make. For exmaple if you kick it long (over 40m) to a one on one contest it still counts as an effective kick even if it results in a spoil or a loose or hardball get, or a stoppage or if it goes out of bounds amongst other things.
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    :lol: At least he's consistent with the length of his kicks.
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    But did his backward kick go to advantage? :p
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    Slightly off-topic but I saw further evidence that the Champion Data rankings are rubbish yesterday.

    Points are actually weighted depending on the score and the time of the game etc and all the games have a set amount of points that are shared out.

    For example Leo Barry's mark in the GF scored 39 points instead of 4 due to the time, place and situation it was taken in.

    If someone took an identical mark at a different stage of the game or at a different score then they would score much less.
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    Yep....the opposition's ;)
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    Fantastic info Lisa. I really like those Taylor, Macdonald and Nahas forward line tackling stats.

    Also the White stats as ff says. On that basis it is hard to believe he won't be playing even though he is on the margin of most posters teams (including mine).
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    Oi! Leave my boy Moo alone.

    Youse'll all rue the day you will. Rue I tells ya!

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    All in fun Ms.T :)
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    Could someone please locate the boots that Edwards wore last year and return them to him, I tipped him to have a very big year, but his kicking pre season has me worried, so please find his old boots
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    Many thanks Lisa. I'm all over the stats myself so hats off to you :)

    This was interesting:

    Graham - Won a hit-out 37% of the time which was up 7% from the previous season. His hitouts to advantage happened 18% of the time (guys like Jolly, Cox and Sandilands are around the 22 to 25%). So he is improving and has room to improve further. One thing though is that the Tigers only retained possession from 46% of his kicks, which was the 11th worst in the league for players who played more than half the season. Moral to that story....... don't kick it Gus!!

    He seemed to be monstered on Thursday night. Let's hope for his and our sake he can a big step up this season.

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